Extermination: The Civilized Exception
by Benjamin ShenderNo life evolves in a vacuum. Every animal, plant, fungi, and microbe in existence evolved with other animals, plants, fungus, and microbes around. It would seem likely that animals would evolve methods of interacting with other members of the community of life. Not simply in predator/prey relationships, but also in relationships between species that do not eat one another.
The details of these interactions vary as much as one would tend to think. However, the broad nature of these interactions is surprisingly specific. Any life form can and will compete with other member’s of the same species to the best of their ability. However, no species will use it’s energy to exterminate cross-species competition.
In a given ecosystem an particular species might be eaten by any number of other species, each of which eats other things and are, in turn, eaten themselves. We can see it as such: species A eats food a, b, c, and d. While species B eats food c, d, e, f, g, and t. Obviously species A and B compete for foods c and d. But species A does not attempt to exterminate species B in order to secure those foods. The reason is simple enough: it’s not worth it.
If species A were to attempt to exterminate species B, this requires that they go out of their way to kill as many members of species B as possible. Which requires energy, in the form of food, that cannot be used for mating or for gathering more food. All in the interest of gaining a greater security for only half of species A’s food sources. And all of this is ignoring species C that eats foods c, q, r, and t. So species A’s work also benefits species C.
But this doesn’t really get to the crux of the matter. Any behavior introduced to a species that doesn’t learn behavior (most likely this includes any non- mammalian or avian species) must have that behavior introduced through genetic variation. In essence, a given member of species A would have to have a compulsion to kill all members of species B, and this would have to give that member a significant enough advantage to their survival or reproductive capabilities in order for this behavior to become species wide.
This behavior does not gain any such advantage to an individual. That individual is using an excess of energy that would otherwise be spent on procreation risking it’s life killing members of species B. While at the same time any success that individual does have will give the same advantage to all members of species A, regardless of their participation. So any such individual with such a gene would leave themselves eliminated from the gene pool very quickly.
This leaves us with the question “why do civilized humans do this?” If it’s truly suicidal, then why? The answer as to why humans are not dead yet is perhaps simply stated as “wait.” As for why humans are doing it at all is simple enough: it’s coupled with agriculture. Every other species couples this with a form of foraging. Civilization couples it with agriculture, which can create a significant excess of energy input. This allows civilization to waste so much energy one purposeful extermination. And when one remembers that agriculture is subject to diminishing returns, we can realize that not only does agriculture allow for civilization to practice extermination, but in fact requires it. After all, any loss of crop can be devastating to a system so precariously balanced. If a significant amount of the crop was eaten by other species then the farming society might fall victim of famine. So farmers have no choice but to practice extermination as a way of life. This does not make such a way of life sustainable, it only makes it required for farming. The reason why this way of life is still unsustainable is very adequately addressed here and here.






Thoroughly explored, deftly explained.
Once again, excellent.
- Chuck
Comment by Chuck — 16 February 2006 @ 1:18 PM
I have seen some debate in the many articles here, does farming include permaculture biointensive ‘farming’ techniques under its large umbrella?
I had a great uncle who was a hermit in Kane, Pa & he survived for decades through biointensive ‘farming’, hunting etc. He did this without running water, or oil products for fertilizer etc. His example is why I sometimes wonder why it is not deemed possible to do such a thing? Or is farming, more based upon the modern day version of it?
Comment by bubba — 16 February 2006 @ 3:09 PM
In this case I’m very specifically refering to agriculture. I’m not absolutely positive yet I believe that permacultural techniques would not apply.
Thanks, Chuck.
Comment by Benjamin Shender — 16 February 2006 @ 5:12 PM
No. Permaculture is a kind of horticulture, or, colloquially, “gardening.”
It works wonderfully for individuals, but it doesn’t scale.
Comment by Jason Godesky — 16 February 2006 @ 5:43 PM
So then everyone could do it in their own garden (for who has one..) and a big population could survive.
Comment by gunnix — 16 February 2006 @ 6:31 PM
Except that the numbers being quoted all come from a specific kind of place, ecologically. Most of the world doesn’t fit into that category, and so we’re back to where we started. The end result is that permaculture helps increase the yield a piece of land to an extect approximately equal to the yield 10,000 years ago, and we can then forage in it to our heart’s content. When you add in desertification it sounds like such a thing would result in a population lower than we had during the upper paleolithic. But I could be wrong.
Comment by Benjamin Shender — 16 February 2006 @ 6:47 PM
“Greening the deserts” from http://www.context.org/ICLIB/IC14/Fukuoka.htm :
Fukuoka claims regreening the deserts could be done quite succesfully with what he calls natural farming.
He suggests regreening the desert with seedballs (clay, humus, mixed seeds) from airplanes.
What is it that Fukuoka missed? For example, there might not even be enough seeds, or clay, etc.
Comment by gunnix — 16 February 2006 @ 8:08 PM
Within the diminishing returns context, wouldn’t a farming community also reject their own species?
At least this is my idea and will want to be far away from areas with only agriculture as a backdrop.
Comment by Rick Larson — 16 February 2006 @ 9:17 PM
If you are referring to cannibalism, yes, we are expecting a sizable amount of gristly cannibalism.
Comment by Benjamin Shender — 16 February 2006 @ 9:35 PM
No, that’s what it means to “not scale”–it stops working if everyone does it.
Rather than go through all this again, just check over in this thread, where we previously discussed that link. Also see this thread specifically on how permaculture scales.
Comment by Jason Godesky — 16 February 2006 @ 9:57 PM
Consider this; while re-greening the desert wouldn’t save civilization, it would certainly make it easier on those of us Left Behind (hehe… making a bad joke on Armageddon now).
Are there any deserts in the Appalachian Confederation you could test it on?
Best
Bill Maxwell
Comment by Bill Maxwell — 16 February 2006 @ 10:28 PM
Hey, I have joined the Anthropik but must have entered a wrong digit when typing my e-mail as haven’t received my instructions for logging in (my virtually indestructable keyboard sometimes misses a punch)(or maybe it’s my finger)(or brain)(:-).
Since I can’t private message anyone, am using this method.
Please delete this! And help me become a member, please!
Comment by Rick Larson — 16 February 2006 @ 11:06 PM
As a way for individuals or groups to get a leg up, permaculture is great.
As a global scale silver bullet to save civilization and allow a population of billions of humans … less so.
Rick–email me at jason@anthropik.com, let me know where exactly you registered, and we’ll sort out what all happened here.
Comment by Jason Godesky — 17 February 2006 @ 12:54 AM
Ah ok, I thought “doesn’t scale” meant that it doesn’t work with big farms and machines. I’m sorry if I’m bothering you with Fukuoka many times but that’s because I haven’t been able to really understand why it wouldn’t work (even after reading almost everything here — I guess I need a good short sum up?). I guess I have to see it in the perspective from foraging to understand why it’s not such a good option. So here I list the downsides of natural farming (just to make myself clear):
-As natural farmer you are more safe from disasters like pests, drought, other humans fucking your land up .. then a modern farmer but less then a forager. The extermination of others who destroy your food (land) counts for natural farmers as well.
-A human is not able to understand the whole ecosystem or to keep an eye on every detail (and every detail is important) all the time so a bigger influence on the surroundings generally doesn’t mean a good thing. While natural farming has less influence on it’s surroundings then modern farming it has more influence then foraging.
-Nature is capable of “rebuilding” itself and doesn’t need the help of a well meaning human who could do more harm then good easily. Yet it seems that with natural farming it could be possible to rebuild destroyed lands quicker (even deserts). But I guess I have to drop this idea as a theortical one and look in history at some real examples to see how good humans are in rebuilding nature.. Although it seems possible in small scale with controlled conditions.
-Not all land is good for natural farming.
Right, I guess I’ve made it myself a bit more clear. Did I miss any big points?
Comment by gunnix — 17 February 2006 @ 7:29 AM
- Automated harvesters and any other kind of economy of scale is right out. They only work on large, monocropped fields. So, the marginal return curve is much tighter. At lower calorie requirements, it’s extremely efficient–indeed, the most efficient subsistence strategy we’ve ever used, as Marvin Harris pointed out. But, to match our current caloric needs, we’d need far more caloric input–making our current “10-to-1″ needs enviable by comparison.
Comment by Jason Godesky — 17 February 2006 @ 8:25 AM
My former great Uncle, who lived a permaculture/hunting existence probably could not have supported more than 1 other person. Also, he still made use of some modern day equipment such as guns, although he mostly trapped & had a thick permagarden. He lived to 101, before he died from an infection. But his example and visiting him as a young child definitely had an impact on me. Primarily, that people could be very different, have no TV, water etc. amidst ‘modern day civilization’ and be quite content, perhaps more so. In addition that there was a lot of knowledge out there, that no one was teaching me in school.
“the future belongs to those who prepare for it.” Emerson
Comment by bubba — 17 February 2006 @ 10:05 AM
-not every location will have equal output no matter the techniques used. a place with low rainfall will not grow as much as a rainforest. Taking this into account, eve ignoring the rest of it, if everyone had their garden, times the average output of all land times seven billion…well, we’re talking about more land than we really have. A pragmatist must first start with what we have, and work from there.
Comment by Benjamin Shender — 17 February 2006 @ 12:52 PM
The problem I have with permaculture isn’t just people applying the numbers from one area over the entire world - I consider that to be wishful thinking or just plain stupidity.
What concerns me is when people admit, “Okay, so a desert under permaculture can’t support as many people per unit of space as a Pacific Northwest temperate rainforest under permaculture would be able to. That just means that we’ll put MORE desert under permaculture.”
Even though a big part of permaculture is supposed to be decreasing the land that humans use, the unspoken assumption of the vast majority of the Permaculture movement (most of whom are still mentally civilized) is that eventually the entire Earth will be surfaced with one big permaculture garden. Inevitably, in this garden, nothing would be allowed to live except life forms that directly benefit humans, or life forms that benefit the human’s benefactors. Humanity would control this world and be its “stewards”.
Hmm… nothing allowed to live but the food of humans or the food of that food - humans controlling the entire planet - humans reproducing all over the place without constraint or care… It’s civilization, just sustainable. It’s a benevolent dicatatorship instead of tyranny. It’s five times as subtle and fifty times worse.
- Chuck
Comment by Chuck — 17 February 2006 @ 1:07 PM
Chuck,
“Even though a big part of permaculture is supposed to be decreasing the land that humans use, the unspoken assumption of the vast majority of the Permaculture movement (most of whom are still mentally civilized) is that eventually the entire Earth will be surfaced with one big permaculture garden. Inevitably, in this garden, nothing would be allowed to live except life forms that directly benefit humans, or life forms that benefit the human’s benefactors. Humanity would control this world and be its “stewards”.
Hmm… nothing allowed to live but the food of humans or the food of that food - humans controlling the entire planet - humans reproducing all over the place without constraint or care… It’s civilization, just sustainable. It’s a benevolent dicatatorship instead of tyranny. It’s five times as subtle and fifty times worse.”
I agree with everything you say here, except the “unspoken assumption” bit. Bill Mollison says that population reduction is imperative in the permaculture vision of the world. The concept of the Zone 5 is all about leaving space for wilderness. The permculture vision, as described by Bill Mollison is not a vision of a world dominated by humans - don’t make that mistake. Permaculturalists, if they assume anything, assume that things will turn out as Bill Mollison plans.
However, the way things end up rarely end up the way we imagine them. This is why, like everybody else, Permaculturalists should read more anthropology.
Comment by Clive — 17 February 2006 @ 1:45 PM
…or are you saying that Permaculturalists quite consciously pay lip service to wilderness protection and population reduction, but deep down they know that it will not turn out like that? Perhaps you’re right.
Comment by Clive — 17 February 2006 @ 3:20 PM
Well said, Chuck.
- Devin
Comment by Devin — 17 February 2006 @ 3:57 PM
“So, you want to save the resources for the spleen cells? You think spleen cells are better than cancer cells? Other cells wouldn’t have any value without cancer cells around to appreciate them. Cancer cells are the pinnacle of evolution. We’re special because we can think. We’re more successful because we’re smarter.” :o) I love that video in the vault.
“Sometimes, I think all the cells in form an organism and that organism has a soul and it can feel what we’re doing to it!”
Comment by planetwarming — 18 February 2006 @ 7:23 PM