Comments on: Some of My Best Friends Are Lumberjacks http://anthropik.com/2007/07/some-of-my-best-friends-are-lumberjacks/ se wo were fi na wosan kofa a yenki Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:22:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Urban Scout: Rewilding Cascadia » Blog Archive » “Green” Vs. Rewilding http://anthropik.com/2007/07/some-of-my-best-friends-are-lumberjacks/#comment-178835 Urban Scout: Rewilding Cascadia » Blog Archive » “Green” Vs. Rewilding Thu, 28 Feb 2008 06:57:42 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2007/07/some-of-my-best-friends-are-lumberjacks/#comment-178835 [...] recently saw a comic (thanks Anthropik!) that inspired me to articulate some things about the notion of “green-washing,” and [...] […] recently saw a comic (thanks Anthropik!) that inspired me to articulate some things about the notion of “green-washing,” and […]

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By: Giulianna Lamanna http://anthropik.com/2007/07/some-of-my-best-friends-are-lumberjacks/#comment-163347 Giulianna Lamanna Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:05:00 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2007/07/some-of-my-best-friends-are-lumberjacks/#comment-163347 I'm watching American Morning on CNN right now and they're reporting a story about this designer cotton grocery bag. Everyone's going insane for it; apparently, something like 30 people had to be hospitalized attempting to get it. It's ugly and says, "This is not a plastic bag" on it in big blue letters. Ugh. I would actually consider getting one if it weren't for that—if it were just a plain cotton tote you could use in any store and not a "LOOK AT ME, I'M MORE ECO-FRIENDLY THAN YOU!!!!" status symbol. I’m watching American Morning on CNN right now and they’re reporting a story about this designer cotton grocery bag. Everyone’s going insane for it; apparently, something like 30 people had to be hospitalized attempting to get it. It’s ugly and says, “This is not a plastic bag” on it in big blue letters. Ugh. I would actually consider getting one if it weren’t for that—if it were just a plain cotton tote you could use in any store and not a “LOOK AT ME, I’M MORE ECO-FRIENDLY THAN YOU!!!!” status symbol.

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By: Disillusioned kid http://anthropik.com/2007/07/some-of-my-best-friends-are-lumberjacks/#comment-159763 Disillusioned kid Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:13:05 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2007/07/some-of-my-best-friends-are-lumberjacks/#comment-159763 On the eco-friendly products theme, did you know BAE Systems produce an environmentally friendly bullet (i.e. it's lead free)? See: http://rubyurl.com/omS On the eco-friendly products theme, did you know BAE Systems produce an environmentally friendly bullet (i.e. it’s lead free)?

See: http://rubyurl.com/omS

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By: Ian M http://anthropik.com/2007/07/some-of-my-best-friends-are-lumberjacks/#comment-158156 Ian M Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:29:50 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2007/07/some-of-my-best-friends-are-lumberjacks/#comment-158156 The thing that got to me most about the whole 'Live Earth' extravaganza was the degenerate state of the music it presented as the most 'cutting edge'. Perhaps someone could point me to a <b>single</b> track by <b>any</b> of those artists that contains even a <b>disguised</b> political message or the <b>slightest</b> display of angst over the myriad social and environmental problems we face? What the fuck is going on when the best artists the planet has to offer are a bunch of sell-out yes-men just like everybody else? The whole thing was the last evidence I needed to bury the naive hope that the Rainbow Warriors will rise from within civilisation's ranks to avert catastrophe before it's too late. But an interesting thought occurred to me: what if the real function of events like these was to <i>pacify</i> public opinion which otherwise might be gearing up for something much more militant? What if Geldof and Bono and Live 8 and Make Poverty History are necessary to guide popular energy into the most ineffective channels and smother all the anger and revolutionary urges people feel, turning it all into a beige mulch of appeasement and sycophancy? Maybe they parade know-nothing dick-heads before us because they think we will assume them as our artistic representatives and in turn become know-nothing dick-heads ourselves? These thoughts were fueled by my discovery of the <a href="http://www.aliveearth.org/" rel="nofollow">'Alive Earth'</a> web-based alternative. The honest, gritty (sometimes a little hippy) music is still out there, you just have to want to find it. The problem lies with a music industry that selects more heavily than ever against 'radical' artists. As they say: <blockquote>People will get excited by seeing their favourite acts and may learn that climate change is a problem. But will they feel <i>challenged</i>. Will they feel <i>angry</i>. Will they feel <i>involved</i> in a global movement against climate change? We are less sure. During the Vietnam era there were peace concerts that achieved all these things because the artists were utterly committed to the peace movement and all the music spoke of their anger, hopes and fears. Their music was not an advertisement for the peace movement- it was its soundtrack.</blockquote> The thing that got to me most about the whole ‘Live Earth’ extravaganza was the degenerate state of the music it presented as the most ‘cutting edge’. Perhaps someone could point me to a single track by any of those artists that contains even a disguised political message or the slightest display of angst over the myriad social and environmental problems we face? What the fuck is going on when the best artists the planet has to offer are a bunch of sell-out yes-men just like everybody else?

The whole thing was the last evidence I needed to bury the naive hope that the Rainbow Warriors will rise from within civilisation’s ranks to avert catastrophe before it’s too late.

But an interesting thought occurred to me: what if the real function of events like these was to pacify public opinion which otherwise might be gearing up for something much more militant? What if Geldof and Bono and Live 8 and Make Poverty History are necessary to guide popular energy into the most ineffective channels and smother all the anger and revolutionary urges people feel, turning it all into a beige mulch of appeasement and sycophancy? Maybe they parade know-nothing dick-heads before us because they think we will assume them as our artistic representatives and in turn become know-nothing dick-heads ourselves?

These thoughts were fueled by my discovery of the ‘Alive Earth’ web-based alternative. The honest, gritty (sometimes a little hippy) music is still out there, you just have to want to find it. The problem lies with a music industry that selects more heavily than ever against ‘radical’ artists. As they say:

People will get excited by seeing their favourite acts and may learn that climate change is a problem. But will they feel challenged. Will they feel angry. Will they feel involved in a global movement against climate change? We are less sure.

During the Vietnam era there were peace concerts that achieved all these things because the artists were utterly committed to the peace movement and all the music spoke of their anger, hopes and fears. Their music was not an advertisement for the peace movement- it was its soundtrack.

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By: Andy http://anthropik.com/2007/07/some-of-my-best-friends-are-lumberjacks/#comment-158098 Andy Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:26:15 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2007/07/some-of-my-best-friends-are-lumberjacks/#comment-158098 Hey patricia, what does someone's hair color have to do with this? You could have sounded a little less prejudiced if you omitted the "blond" part. Pre-judging a person based on hair color is no different than pre-judging someone based on skin color or ethnicity. If you replace "blond" with say, "asian", it sounds a bit racist. Now if they were bleach blond, that's a whole other story... Hey patricia, what does someone’s hair color have to do with this? You could have sounded a little less prejudiced if you omitted the “blond” part. Pre-judging a person based on hair color is no different than pre-judging someone based on skin color or ethnicity. If you replace “blond” with say, “asian”, it sounds a bit racist. Now if they were bleach blond, that’s a whole other story…

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By: patricia http://anthropik.com/2007/07/some-of-my-best-friends-are-lumberjacks/#comment-157625 patricia Tue, 10 Jul 2007 22:30:07 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2007/07/some-of-my-best-friends-are-lumberjacks/#comment-157625 we watched the NBC coverage of Live Earth on TV at my friend's house...nothing like watching little blond actresses get all excited about how they've learned all now that using one less paper napkin per meal, buying a light-bulb, and putting more air in their SUV tires can "save the planet". sigh. i mean, i don't *wanna* be so cynical, really i don't! as for the other question--i always do local first if i have any clue about their practices. after that, bulk organic, and then Organic Valley or whatever at the co-op here. i like this essay on the topic, via Ran's site a ways back: http://www.energybulletin.net/25115.html (saying basically that whether it all adds up to any major change is not really the point--like, just because ME not murdering someone will not significantly impact the national or global murder stats, does that mean i should go ahead and do it? of course not!) but greenwashing is totally EVIL, and it is only going to get worse, leaving lots of well-intentioned regular people spending more money and thinking they are doing something good for their health, "the planet" or whatever, but just getting ripped off. i'm constantly reminding my mom now that "certified organic" (by fed, state or some damn one) is what she wants if she can't get local, and NOT "all natural" and the various other advertising trick terms. in regional farm news here, i've good and bad-- good: we found a great little free-roaming, grass-fed, raw milk farm right near my folks' place that sells direct if you stop by. bad: my dad's friend in Bedford with the small family dairy farm was forced this week to sell their herd. they were at the end of the pick-up line for the middle-man outfit that was taking their milk to Land'o'Lakes for butter. they've owned the land for many generations so i don't think they're gonna' lose it...they just have to change what they're gonna' do there. they've been getting squeezed by the big players for decades now. i know the ongoing discussion with the merits vs. problems with dairy here, and i'm cool with everyone not having to agree on that, BTW! but what makes the above good/bad regardless i think, is that i'm afraid we're really going to need the small farm outfits more and more as things come apart globally. of course their styles of farming are not sustainable long term, BUT they do have many other crucial skills, not to mention the land and networks, to shift to better methods as the times call for it. i'd rather walk down the steps one by one, than just jump off from the tenth floor, you know? Giuli--as you mention toxins/poisons in various products, are you familiar with this resource: http://www.ewg.org i use this one a lot: http://www.cosmeticsdatabase.com as i'm not quite ready to make my own soap or shampoo or toothpaste, and i'm still working someplace where that sort of thing is rather expected, i've found this database helpful! we watched the NBC coverage of Live Earth on TV at my friend’s house…nothing like watching little blond actresses get all excited about how they’ve learned all now that using one less paper napkin per meal, buying a light-bulb, and putting more air in their SUV tires can “save the planet”.

sigh. i mean, i don’t *wanna* be so cynical, really i don’t!

as for the other question–i always do local first if i have any clue about their practices. after that, bulk organic, and then Organic Valley or whatever at the co-op here.

i like this essay on the topic, via Ran’s site a ways back:

http://www.energybulletin.net/25115.html

(saying basically that whether it all adds up to any major change is not really the point–like, just because ME not murdering someone will not significantly impact the national or global murder stats, does that mean i should go ahead and do it? of course not!)

but greenwashing is totally EVIL, and it is only going to get worse, leaving lots of well-intentioned regular people spending more money and thinking they are doing something good for their health, “the planet” or whatever, but just getting ripped off. i’m constantly reminding my mom now that “certified organic” (by fed, state or some damn one) is what she wants if she can’t get local, and NOT “all natural” and the various other advertising trick terms.

in regional farm news here, i’ve good and bad–

good: we found a great little free-roaming, grass-fed, raw milk farm right near my folks’ place that sells direct if you stop by.

bad: my dad’s friend in Bedford with the small family dairy farm was forced this week to sell their herd. they were at the end of the pick-up line for the middle-man outfit that was taking their milk to Land’o'Lakes for butter. they’ve owned the land for many generations so i don’t think they’re gonna’ lose it…they just have to change what they’re gonna’ do there. they’ve been getting squeezed by the big players for decades now.

i know the ongoing discussion with the merits vs. problems with dairy here, and i’m cool with everyone not having to agree on that, BTW!

but what makes the above good/bad regardless i think, is that i’m afraid we’re really going to need the small farm outfits more and more as things come apart globally. of course their styles of farming are not sustainable long term, BUT they do have many other crucial skills, not to mention the land and networks, to shift to better methods as the times call for it. i’d rather walk down the steps one by one, than just jump off from the tenth floor, you know?

Giuli–as you mention toxins/poisons in various products, are you familiar with this resource: http://www.ewg.org

i use this one a lot: http://www.cosmeticsdatabase.com

as i’m not quite ready to make my own soap or shampoo or toothpaste, and i’m still working someplace where that sort of thing is rather expected, i’ve found this database helpful!

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By: Dan Bartlett http://anthropik.com/2007/07/some-of-my-best-friends-are-lumberjacks/#comment-157428 Dan Bartlett Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:54:14 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2007/07/some-of-my-best-friends-are-lumberjacks/#comment-157428 I can't believe how shit Live Earth was. I thought Live 8 was bad... Kunstler <a href="http://www.kunstler.com/mags_diary21.html" rel="nofollow">also had a good rant about Live Earth</a>. I can’t believe how shit Live Earth was. I thought Live 8 was bad…

Kunstler also had a good rant about Live Earth.

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By: thistle http://anthropik.com/2007/07/some-of-my-best-friends-are-lumberjacks/#comment-157411 thistle Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:14:51 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2007/07/some-of-my-best-friends-are-lumberjacks/#comment-157411 "Is this really the best we can do?" Well, we aren't them. But, yeah, I think this is the best that they will allow themselves to do. I think we're going to have another round of we-are-the-world activism as a last gasp to syphon money from the people as collapse sets in. These people aren't going down without a fight; they want to squeeze every last bit of party time they can out of this thing before there's nothing left. Plus, they want to make themselves feel like they were doing the right thing all along. “Is this really the best we can do?”

Well, we aren’t them. But, yeah, I think this is the best that they will allow themselves to do. I think we’re going to have another round of we-are-the-world activism as a last gasp to syphon money from the people as collapse sets in. These people aren’t going down without a fight; they want to squeeze every last bit of party time they can out of this thing before there’s nothing left. Plus, they want to make themselves feel like they were doing the right thing all along.

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By: Urban Scout http://anthropik.com/2007/07/some-of-my-best-friends-are-lumberjacks/#comment-157409 Urban Scout Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:13:57 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2007/07/some-of-my-best-friends-are-lumberjacks/#comment-157409 Haha. Loved "hot young artists." Here's a thought... Buying organic foods, they still may be shipping them thousands of miles to get to you, adding to the carbon blah blah blah. Perhaps the third option is buying local? I buy mostly local, organic, paleo foods and I only spend about 50-70 bucks a week on groceries. Of course, I live in Portland OR where there is a lot of competition in local organic foods so the prices here are comparable to many "regular" grocery stores. I'm not a nazi about local/organic, but I am a nazi about paleo... wait... is calling myself a nazi godwins law? Fuck. Don't ban me pleeeease!!! Haha. Loved “hot young artists.”

Here’s a thought… Buying organic foods, they still may be shipping them thousands of miles to get to you, adding to the carbon blah blah blah. Perhaps the third option is buying local?

I buy mostly local, organic, paleo foods and I only spend about 50-70 bucks a week on groceries. Of course, I live in Portland OR where there is a lot of competition in local organic foods so the prices here are comparable to many “regular” grocery stores. I’m not a nazi about local/organic, but I am a nazi about paleo… wait… is calling myself a nazi godwins law? Fuck. Don’t ban me pleeeease!!!

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By: Giulianna Lamanna http://anthropik.com/2007/07/some-of-my-best-friends-are-lumberjacks/#comment-157362 Giulianna Lamanna Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:06:52 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2007/07/some-of-my-best-friends-are-lumberjacks/#comment-157362 The biggest trade-off for me is: organic or paleo? Paleo helps me prepare for the collapse and get into a healthier, more human lifestyle, but organic supports less damaging argriculture, which makes it a little more likely that more life will survive post-collapse. Not to mention keeping a good deal of weird chemicals and hormones out of my body. I can't afford both. Hell, I can barely afford one. The biggest trade-off for me is: organic or paleo? Paleo helps me prepare for the collapse and get into a healthier, more human lifestyle, but organic supports less damaging argriculture, which makes it a little more likely that more life will survive post-collapse. Not to mention keeping a good deal of weird chemicals and hormones out of my body. I can’t afford both. Hell, I can barely afford one.

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